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May 3rd, 2009, 10:37 PM
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Miss California
Of course, you all know how much I LOOOOVE watching Miss USA pageants.
  Well, this one caught me off guard: Miss California admitting *GOSH GOODNESS GRACIOUS* that she thinks Marriage is *GASP* between a man and a woman! GAAAA!!! *PANIC* A Miss America pageant who said something politically incorrect! So I say: Good for her! (And notice, I didn't post any pictures *cough* in this thread)
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May 3rd, 2009, 11:08 PM
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I think the whole thing is unfortunate. Miss America is supposed to look pretty and have some good-will platform that she runs on. She's not a politician. But of course, Perez Hilton (the judge who asked the question) is a sensationalist. He thrives on drama and attention.
She's more or less an "average" person, getting a lot of flack for essentially having an opinion. As far as my thoughts on gay marriage ... I believe in the sanctity of marriage. But even between heterosexual couples, marriage is mocked. Also, if man were to re-define marriage, that doesn't mean that God is obligated to recognize it. So just because the state might recognize that their marriage is the same as mine, it doesn't mean that it really is. So either way, it doesn't bother me. I understand partners wanting benefits and protections that married folks get. It doesn't have to be limited to gay folks though. If my sister in law and I were to have to live together in our old age, it would be fantastic if we could share insurance and be able to leave assets to the other. I'm all for fixing that - it doesn't need to be "marriage" in order to fix it, though. If the country is so big on separation of church and state, why not make "marriage" an institution of the church, and civil unions of the state?
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May 4th, 2009, 02:30 AM
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I think the situation is ridiculous and I feel very sorry for her. She was asked an opinion questions, and gave her opinion. Gosh. Don't ask for someone's opinion if you don't want to hear her opinion. She didn't even say anything that was particularly controversial. She wasn't condemning, and said that she didn't want to offend anyone.
It's like me asking you what your favorite color was, and then kicking you in the face because you didn't say blue. You can't like red. Blue is the only answer I want to hear. And, most americans actually agree with her opinion... As for the marriage issue, my opinion is very much so similar to Leader's.
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May 4th, 2009, 05:04 AM
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I thought the whole thing was rather ridiculous. 20 years ago if she had said she was for gay marriages she would have been given flack for that. Just because the judge thinks her opinion is wrong does not mean he has the right to dock marks for it. If she was able to give clear concise reasons for why she believes it's wrong, that should be enough (I didn't watch it, so I don't know if her answer was concise).
I don't think it was right for Perez to ask her a question that he felt had only one right answer. The whole point of the question and answer is that you get to learn a bit about each contestant and their personality.
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May 4th, 2009, 05:30 AM
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The girl's answer was sorta unintelligable and I'm not sure exactly what she meant - but she was on the spot and I can't imagine she would have expected that sort of question. And kudos to her for giving an honest answer, to whatever extent she did that. I think it's rather silly that this is supposed to be so shocking, since most Americans do not want gay marriage to be legal.
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May 4th, 2009, 06:17 AM
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May 4th, 2009, 06:37 AM
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May 4th, 2009, 11:07 AM
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many kudos to Miss California! I applaud her for standing her ground in the face of someone who was not afraid to mock her in a public way.
what has impressed me even more than that is the fact that she's still sticking by her statement, she didn't recant to make the judges and the organization happy. she truly acknowledged what a majority of Americans know, marriage is between one man and one woman.
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May 6th, 2009, 02:59 AM
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With that being said though, I don't really think she was that pretty so I could attribute her loss to that instead. J/K.....a little :p
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May 6th, 2009, 06:30 AM
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What makes me mad is that the question came from someone with such a clear bias. The judging at these events should always be objective. If you put someone with a strong opinion on an issue asking questions of that issue, that removes objectivity from the equation.
Sure, it was only a beauty pageant. But that doesn't mean the judging shouldn't be fair.
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May 7th, 2009, 01:33 AM
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Anyone ever see "Miss Congeniality" with Sandra Bullock?
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May 11th, 2009, 05:03 AM
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So apparently this chick is in trouble because some semi-nude photos of her just surfaced.
And this is after she was LAUDED at the Doves and all that fun stuff? I'm not going to say a word, but talk about embarrassing. It's like the publicity equivalent of a leg-in-mouth (because foot-in-mouth just wouldn't do).
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May 11th, 2009, 08:11 AM
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I heard about that. Frankly, doesn't surprise me - the media's great at turning a one-facet scandal into more than that.
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May 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM
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Eh, she's a model. That's what they do. It's not like it's out right porn. It's just lingerie pictures. It's not the end of the world.
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May 11th, 2009, 03:47 PM
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^^No it's not, but I'd LOVE to see the reaction of all the people who praised her as being some kind of a hero. Keep in mind that some of these people think that kissing before marriage is a sin, so I'd really enjoy hearing their new opinion on this chick after seeing her raunchy pics :P
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May 11th, 2009, 05:17 PM
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I think most people have too much pride to change their opinion this "late" in the game.
Conservative media who backed her will claim that everyone has a past, the photos weren't THAT raunchy, she was mislead/stupid young teenager, etc etc etc. Leftist media who bashed her will use it to pass her off as nothing but a hypocrite. I don't think this girl has ANY place in political/religious conversations. She's a "normal" girl. She was given a bogus question, sure- but she needs to keep her mouth shut & go away. The flack she received initially? totally harsh and uncalled for. The flack she's getting now? She's asked for it. If I were in her position I would have let my statement speak for itself- POSSIBLY release some sort of a statement a few days after the competition, just to clarify my position (it WAS a heat of the moment answer)- and then go away. NO interviews. NO appearances. nothing! She's getting her 15 minutes of fame though, I suppose. 
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May 11th, 2009, 05:57 PM
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May 11th, 2009, 06:37 PM
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they're stripping her from the miss california title right now... and it's not about the pictures! it's because she's promoting her beliefs... which contradict miss california's "diversity" ideals...
tomorrow Mr. Trump makes a final decision about this
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May 11th, 2009, 06:56 PM
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May 11th, 2009, 07:02 PM
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While she has every right to stand up for her beliefs, there's no reason she couldn't have waited until she was finished serving as Miss Cali to become a spoken advocate for marriage rights. If it's against her contract to - whatever she was doing - so be it. Answering the question the way she did the night of the pageant - not her fault. Pretty much all of her actions since then: her fault.
The worst part of this is that Perez Hilton is going to have a dog gone hay day with it. I hate how vindictive he is. He's been insulting Kirstie Alley lately because she gained weight. He's such a jerk. I feel guilty that I read his blog regularly, because I know there are better things to read. It's just rotten because some stuff I find interesting, and I know that my one-view-a-day isn't going to change anything. Anyway kids, let this be a lesson: STOP TAKING TOPLESS PICTURES OF YOURSELF! Unless you're trying to be a tabloid skank (Paris Hilton, I'm looking at you) they will always come back to bite you in the butt.
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I wouldn't call myself "fundamentalist", but I'm probably closer than most to that label. definitely "very conservative". however..........I do regard Miss Prejean as a hero for having the back bone to stand up for what she believed in, in the face of persecution. do I think she should have posed for the pictures? absolutely not!! BUT it is something that apparently happened years ago. how can we expect God to forgive when we cannot? everyone (conservatives and liberals alike) set people up on high pedastals and expect them to be perfect. we have all forgotten that no one is perfect! the only perfect man to have lived is Jesus Christ. we are not perfect, just forgiven. as soon as something comes out, like a bad decision made in youth, a straying from the right path at any time, our "hero" is villified. they are dragged through the muck and mire of the media and public disgrace. if God can forgive you, can't He also forgive her? thank you, bestill.
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May 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
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Personally, I'm sick of the media, liberal and conservative alike, treating normal people like "heroes". How is this girl any more of a hero than any other person who speaks their mind and gets flack for it? People are treating her like the next Cassie Bernall or something. It's really idolatry once you look at it, and it's only setting people up for a fall. I blame this whole thing more on the media than I do on her after all (my sarcastic comments are nothing more than that. I apologize if I offended anybody, I didn't mean to) Last edited by TheyCallMeLilSteph : May 11th, 2009 at 07:58 PM.
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I don't really understand the problem. Not that I pay any attention to the sort of entertainment news that would cover this sort of thing, but... a beauty contest participant (who I assume wants to be a model or actress or something) is attempting to get as much attention as possible? Isn't that the point?
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Beauty pageants are idiotic. I can't believe anyone would enter one or even worse enter their children or take any of the results seriously. Blech! Who cares what they THINK. If they were being judged on what they thought they wouldn't be struttin' around in heels and a bikini. It's a joke. Go on Jeopardy if you want to show off your brain. Model bikinis if you want to show off your body... don't mix the two please. It's like someone doing my taxes while wearing a speedo...
K, all done.
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Regardless, it was a foolish decision. Forgivable, absolutely. But then, I would have preferred to hear something of an apology rather than excuses. *shrug*
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May 11th, 2009, 10:27 PM
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May 11th, 2009, 10:33 PM
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oh, don't get me started on children's pageants!! I cannot believe there are those parents out there who slather make up on their little girls' faces, spray tan them and make them think that it is "normal" or no one will think they are beautiful.
*backing away from the soapbox, I feel a rant coming on*
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"Let's all talk sunshine and roses and never say a negative thing about anything!" Sometimes, love hurts. The NB fans are acting the way they are, because they've been hurt in three pretty major ways (as far as the music industry goes) one right after another. Worse yet, I daresay the fans love and care about the newsboys, and there isn't a thing they can do to express their concern in a way that will actually reach them. It'll run its course - hey, things were fizzling out right before the cd launched. If there was a "better" way to deal with it, I'm sure it would be welcomed, but the best there is seems to be letting it out and then letting time take care of it. Because, doesn't everyone hope in the smallest of ways that the newsboys will read our thread and have a major wake up call? In general, I hate the Christian attitude of only talking about things that spew happiness. It's why I dislike so much Christian music. I like music that reflects my mood. Listening to Christian music when I'm having a crappy day is like listening to your perfect straight-A peppy cheerleader friend talk on about her perfect life. Anyway, I haven't seen anyone say anything *bad* about either the newsboys or miss prejean. specifically, no one thinks she's a bad person, but there's been discussion on how she could have avoided the situation she's in, different ways to handle things...actually, more interesting things have been said about the media than the girl at the center of it all. Actually, it hasn't been a bad discussion at all. Whatever. I really hope you didn't mean it how I'm taking it, but it peeves me to no end when people make handslappy comments like that.
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May 12th, 2009, 04:04 AM
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^^I think I'm the one to blame Leader, specifically me and my somewhat-cynical sense of humor that doesn't exactly translate well on message boards. As for the Newsboys thing, I've come across as an upset fan because I AM an upset fan, and I can guarantee that many more feel the way I do. As for Miss Prejean, I'm just slightly amused at all the fuss about a beauty pageant contestant (and yes, I hate beauty pageants). On one side, she's a heroic young woman who made a mistake and on the other she's a hypocritical skank, but the media fails to realize that she's pretty ordinary in any way and didn't do anything out of the ordinary (she spoke her mind and she lost the crown. Big deal! In many countries she would have lost her life for speaking about her faith). She is a normal woman who made a mistake and the media is making a mountain out of a pretty trivial molehill, and what I say is more of an attack on the media as well as the people getting ridiculously involved in the situation, not Miss California herself.
I dunno, I quite like the Buzz's stance on controversial issues. It's nice to have a good discussion now and then, since I could never have one of those on the old newsboys boards (or others I am a member of such as the Jesusfreakhideout boards).
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May 12th, 2009, 03:17 PM
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^I'll line up to take some blame, too. I wasn't referring to criticisms of Miss California. She threw herself out into the public eye to be judged, and guess what? People are judging her.
My comments were directed at the criticism of other people and their opinions. A lot of people know Steph from the newsboys boards, but a lot of buzzers would rather chew off an arm than visit the nb boards. I just didn't think it was cool to come on here and within your first 25 or 30 posts to mock other Christians, possibly other buzzers, and their opinions and beliefs. Exception: Foy. He is always a good target if you're looking to mock someone. Oh, and Leader, you were actually quoting ShineMaberry, not me. Back to the debate. bestill
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May 12th, 2009, 03:54 PM
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Leader, you know I don't always talk sunshine and happiness. I was as candid as I could be about my struggles with my husband this past fall and what a jerkface I'd been to him when God finally kicked me in the butt. That's not my intent.
It's just that the NB thing happened like 3 months ago and we're still whining over it? I'm as disappointed as any other NB fan, not a fan of Tait being their lead singer. But I know God's plans are bigger than my own and He may use this for something I can't see yet. Also, Miss California isn't the first celebrity to be hallowed and then be part of a scandal. (Ted Haggert, anyone?) This statement was made: Quote:
I'm not saying we have to all have peace, love, and happiness and that's all. What I am saying is, let's speak the truth in love. Let's not speak love without truth and let's not speak truth without love. I'm sorry, I'm probably making enemies here. That's not at all my intent. I just feel like we should be accountable to each other if we're all Christians here. If I'm doing something in a similar vein, I hope someone would hold me to the standard Christ would, in love.
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 I know I personally allow myself to get carried away- I'll bash newsboys, and then after a couple of minutes, I don't even care- it's more or less just the "fun" of bashing something. The drama, I suppose? The press conference was somewhat nauseating. I hadn't watched much of the coverage up until now, but happened to stumble upon the conference, and she just rubbed me the wrong way. she seemed very snooty & like she had a bit of an attitude. But most of the actual *meat* of what she was saying was pretty decent- I guess I just didn't like the way she said most of it.
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I'm sorry if I've offended anyone as well.
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